Teh Official OMG WTF thread.

[Bavanai]

Your definition of "man" is an arbitrary standard.

Nature would like to have a word with you.

 

[Shade]

Nature would like to have a word with you.

I didn't know nature decrees social values and imposed behavioral constructs.

I'd like to have a word with nature too. Ask it if it's mad at Topi antelopes and all the other species where gender roles are reversed.

 

[Bavanai]

I didn't know nature decrees social values and imposed behavioral constructs.

A human male not acting like a female is not imposed behavioral construct. It's nature.

I'd like to have a word with nature too. Ask it if it's mad at Topi antelopes and all the other species where gender roles are reversed.

Since it's NATURE that directed that process and not japanese anime... I'm pretty sure nature isn't mad about it.

 

[TheTrickster]

Your definition of "man" is an arbitrary standard.

I subscribe.

 

[Shade]

A human male not acting like a female is not imposed behavioral construct. It's nature.

Your idea of how a human male should act is not nature. It's your idea.

Nature doesn't dictate society. On the contrary, nature DOES dictate what we like and what we don't. Since that guy was doing what he liked instead of what was imposed on him, THAT's natural.

 

[Bavanai]

I like to murder super moderators.

 

[Astarteea]

Educate your kids, but don't turn them into something YOU want them to be. It's selfish enough that you chose when and if they are born, let them live their life as they want to.

 

[khaled]

hey father, when i grow up i want to be a huge faggot

ok son i respect your choice in life

 

[Shade]

I like to murder super moderators.

Alright I'll take this seriously. I'm not advocating 100% freedom to fulfill whatever psychopath tendencies you have. But there's a huge difference between acting like a girl and doing things that are actually harmful to society, like murder.

What you just did is attack something I did not argue (full reign to do whatever someone wants) by exaggerating my stance to the absurd. Standard strawman.

Once again, let me clarify: letting the kids do whatever they like is my opinion and my choice, because I like to. Your attempts to bring objectivity into it by insisting it's not "natural" are laughable because you can't realize that you're coming from a subjective opinion of what's natural and what's not. In other words, men being "men" is not the natural course, it's just the societal status quo that you were raised with. If you were raised in a society where gender roles would be reversed, you'd insist that's "natural" instead. The fact that you're so short-sighted to not notice this is the problem at hand.

I'm not asking you to change your opinions. I'm just trying to make you see that mine aren't objectively wrong.

hey father, when i grow up i want to be a huge faggot

ok son i respect your choice in life

SO WITTY! But rather ignorant.

 

[Astarteea]

hey father, when i grow up i want to be a huge faggot

ok son i respect your choice in life

No 5 year old kid will come and ask that. Ever. If you're a good parent and guide your kid, help him make his own decisions, he will turn out fine. But don't force your opinions and your likings into him. Don't expect him to be the alpha male, the doctor, the scientist you never were; he might turn out to like art and be gay. What are you going to do then. Shoot him? It's still your kid, you have to stand by his side.

 

[HellFire]

No one will force them to become something they don't want to. But children do need guidance about what's good and what's not good in life. I was blessed to have an angel of a mother to guide me ever since I was a little boy she showed me what respect is,I was never a spoiled brat that fought with my parents and to this day I still thank her for those few "beatings" I got when my path lead astray. My father never really told me or showed me what a man should look like,behave like.He never interfered in the process of me becoming a grown man,and to this day he still does not force me to do anything.Every time I got in trouble I had to get out myself,he would not help me unless it was really serious,the only time he showed up was when I was bullied with no reason by some 25-30year old thugs while I was still about 12 or 13 years old. They never came close to me after that day. Other than that,like I said,He never interfered with me and the process of discovering what a grown up man is,figuring out the definition of a man,responsible for his actions. This is the exact thing I'm going to do with my kids when I will have them.I'll always be there for guidance and advice,making sure their path does not lead astray,but that's it,they will pursue what they want in life,I won't impose anything and I won't hold them back. I'll raise them the same way I was raised and I turned up pretty good.

 

[Shade]

No one will force them to become something they don't want to. But children do need guidance about what's good and what's not good in life. I was blessed to have an angel of a mother to guide me ever since I was a little boy she showed me what respect is,I was never a spoiled brat that fought with my parents and to this day I still thank her for those few "beatings" I got when my path lead astray. My father never really told me or showed me what a man should look like,behave like.He never interfered in the process of me becoming a grown man,and to this day he still does not force me to do anything.Every time I got in trouble I had to get out myself,he would not help me unless it was really serious,the only time he showed up was when I was bullied with no reason by some 25-30year old thugs while I was still about 12 or 13 years old. They never came close to me after that day. Other than that,like I said,He never interfered with me and the process of discovering what a grown up man is,figuring out the definition of a man,responsible for his actions. This is the exact thing I'm going to do with my kids when I will have them.I'll always be there for guidance and advice,making sure their path does not lead astray,but that's it,they will pursue what they want in life,I won't impose anything and I won't hold them back. I'll raise them the same way I was raised and I turned up pretty good.

And if your kid happens to like cross-dressing, will you beat him up to "straighten his path"?

 

[Bavanai]

@Shade - I know I'm being subjective. I'm simply relaying my subjective frame inbetween factual information.

And if your kid happens to like cross-dressing, will you beat him up to "straighten his path"?

If your kid "happens" to like cross-dressing, you already did something wrong along the way and you won't change that with beatings. Kids are tabula rasa's. Blank sheets. You aren't born with an impulse to wear the opposite sex's clothes. The only reason a kid would like to cross-dress is because he somehow got the message that it's ok to do so. If you do your parenting right, your kid will never arrive at that conclusion. I know people with kids, I have friends with kids, I have relatives with kids. You can easily tell that some kids won't end up faggots due to their education.

 

[HellFire]

^this asdfghjkl stupid 10 letter post

 

[Shade]

You can easily tell that some kids won't end up faggots due to their education.

Ask any homosexual about whether it was a choice to "end up" as one. But what do they know, right? You're the enlightened one. You have friends with kids.

But cross-dressing isn't necessarily gay. The harm in it eludes me, but I guess I'm just not seeing the MANLY MANMAN point of view.

 

[HellFire]

Being homosexual is not a choice,but being a straight guy that dresses like a girl and looks/acts nearly like a girl is a choice.

 

[HellFire]

Being homosexual is not a choice,but being a straight guy that dresses like a girl and looks/acts nearly like a girl is a choice. And those suicide attempts are a result of bad parenting and lack of comunication. You already know people suicide because they think suicide is the only answer/solution left. There's also therapy for that.

 

[Bavanai]

Ask any homosexual about whether it was a choice to "end up" as one. But what do they know, right?

Yeah they repeat that "I was born gay" excuse until nobody questions it at all, don't they? I don't buy it. I think an experience or a number of experiences when the kid is in the developmental stage will give the kid a same-sex fetish, in the same scientifically proven way an experience with feet will give a person a foot fetish. Remember, there's absolutely no scientifical evidence whatsoever of any "gay gene". They just repeat that so much that you don't question it anymore.

 

[Astarteea]

I dunno, I didn't have any experiences with men when I was a kid to make me like only men as an adult.

 

[Shade]

Yeah they repeat that "I was born gay" excuse until nobody questions it at all, don't they? I don't buy it. I think an experience or a number of experiences when the kid is in the developmental stage will give the kid a same-sex fetish, in the same scientifically proven way an experience with feet will give a person a foot fetish. Remember, there's absolutely no scientifical evidence whatsoever of any "gay gene". They just repeat that so much that you don't question it anymore.

Blanket generalizing of an entire group just tells me you haven't had enough interaction with them.

What about gay animals? Mystical "experiences" for them too?