Teh Official OMG WTF thread.

[Shade]

But those are shots from music videos, and music videos are supposed to be artistic. Is it that far-fetched to suppose the director threw in some stock props, or maybe he was a fan of conspiracies too?

3 of the pictures are from Ke$ha's Die Young music video, which is conspiracy-themed and full of symbolism on purpose. The last 3 pictures are from Katy Perry's Dark Horse, which has some sort of sci-fi egyptian theme. Of course there would be pyramids and the Eye of Horus.

As for the last 2, I fail to see how Beyonce covering one eye is in any way suspicious, and a still image of what looks like Jay-Z's girl covering her face doesn't phase me much.

What they seem to have in common with the songs and movies they are present in is homosexuality, promiscuity, unfaithfulness, "good girl gone bad" thematic, corruption, etc.

Movies have been bitch-slapped by feminism big time is what you're seeing. The movie industry is tripping over itself to be more "inclusive" and to not be seen as homophobic.
As for promiscuity and corruption, I don't think that's anything new. Lots of movies have dealt with this.

Be careful not to fall into suspicion. In the 80s, people were fearing that D&D might turn kids satanistic. In the late 80s and early 90s, people feared that heavy metal might make kids satanistic. In the 90s, people feared rap music and its violent lyrics would turn kids to violence. In 2006, Jack Thompson started a moral panic over violent video games and how they simulate murder. In 2013, Anita Sarkeesian was a dumbass bitch as well.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

 

[Bavanai]

I think that "turning people satanic" is exactly the thing that makes people not take this stuff seriously and ignore it. I don't think that their purpose is to "turn people satanic", as in make them satanists, that's not going to happen. But it DOES affect you, at least at a subconscious level. Not to make you satanic, but to, idk, impose satanic values? Basically, my conspiracy theory regarding this is: their purpose is to make people accepting of the occult and to turn young people against judeo-christian values, especially when it comes to sexuality.

Yes, it can easily argued that it's for artistry, thematics and shit, which is why it's a conspiracy theory and not a conspiracy fact. But as I said, those are just a few examples, there'a a lot more making me dismiss the "coincidence" probability.

 

[Shade]

I don't think that their purpose is to "turn people satanic", as in make them satanists, that's not going to happen. But it DOES affect you, at least at a subconscious level. Not to make you satanic, but to, idk, impose satanic values?

You'll notice I said satanistic, by which I mean "follower of satanism" as opposed to satanic i.e. "follower of satan". There's 2 things to say here:

1. I really, really REALLY doubt triangles and pyramids do anything to your subconscious that could be considered in any way related to satanism or pretty much anything else except maybe geometry.
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg9_Lx2AWaE

In the 1920s the most sexual thing you could possibly produce was a picture of a lady showing her thighs and some modest cleavage. 100 years have passed; we have twerking, girls who go out of their way to show their bodies, suggestive dance poses, society in general becoming way more accepting of the concept of sex. And if we look at countries like japan, we still have a lot more ahead of us. Times are changing all the time, this is noting new.

their purpose is to make people accepting of the occult

Statistically we're probably in the least occult-ridden era the world has ever known. There is also no evidence that kids are enrolling in cults (bar cults of personality, but no one drinks blood in Bieber's name). There is also no evidence that adults are becoming more accepting of the occult whatsoever. In fact, they're becoming less accepting of religions in general. And while a part of the population will always believe in pseudoscience (read Sagan's Demon-Haunted World), I do believe the numbers are lower than they've ever been thanks to the ubiquity of readily-available information.

The music industry can show as many pyramids and triangles as it wants, the effect on their audience is a net zero unless you can prove that humans are negatively affected by pyramids and triangles. I can frankly say that I'm not very concerned by the presence of pyramids and triangles.

But YOU are engaging in the exact sort of thinking I expected you to outgrow by now. It's so easy to get all worried and draw conclusions by locking yourself in the safety of your own thoughts within the confines of your armchair. Don't use your judgement as a source of knowledge, it was never meant to be used that way. Investigate. The more rigorous the investigation, the closer you come to the truth. Get evidence, find statistics. The only worrying trend I have evidence for is the US (and swedish, to an even larger extent) campus culture becoming extremely toxic towards the free exchange of ideas. That's some tangible shit to be worried about. Dungeons and drag- I mean, pyramids and eyes leading our kids to vicious debauchery though? Nah. Crime rates are as low as they've ever been.

I like that you're willing to consult people who might not agree though. True conspiratards will let their ideas boil inside themselves until they spent so much time on rationalizing them that it's too much of a bother to let go and admit they're wrong.

 

[Bavanai]

I get the point that spamming pyramids and eyes doesn't make you do anything. However, you never see one of those videos with the triangle and eye symbolism ever telling people to stay in school, not to whore around, be nice. There's a pattern of basically the same message in any video featuring it - sleep around, have gay sex (even if you're straight, Katy Perry tells us), fuck everything, just party and go crazy.

Yeah, right now with current evidence, just assuming that all this occult symbolism from major record producers would be a coordinated effort for a specific purpose is crazy. But when the evidence is lacking I usually follow the "what's more likely" trail, and it appears highly unlikely to me that this coordinated placement of occult symbolism doesn't serve some purpose and is just coincidental or to look cool - too much effort put into it for nothing of importance. I just wanna know what that purpose is, and I'll keep investigating this.

 

[Shade]

you never see one of those videos with the triangle and eye symbolism ever telling people to stay in school, not to whore around, be nice.

1. Slut shaming is rapidly becoming a social taboo. The idea that men must sleep with as many women as possible while women must sleep with as few men as possible as a gauge of superiority is considered asinine. I tend to agree.
2. Modern music has been rebellious in nature ever since Smells Like Teen Spirit. Even before that, you'd be hard-pressed to find music giving people moral lectures and messages outside of church. Lastly, mainstream music caters and appeals to teenagers, i.e. people at the age of rebellion, where being contrarian is the thing to do. (also, chrome spellchecker doesn't know the word contrarian)

it appears highly unlikely to me that this coordinated placement of occult symbolism doesn't serve some purpose and is just coincidental or to look cool

I wouldn't contest that it's not coincidental. But you have yet to establish that it's in any way coordinated.

 

[Bavanai]

1. Slut shaming is rapidly becoming a social taboo. The idea that men must sleep with as many women as possible while women must sleep with as few men as possible as a gauge of superiority is considered asinine. I tend to agree.

In order to have sex with many women, a man has to make a lot of fucking EFFORT and put in loads of WORK. In order to have sex with many men, a woman has to spread her legs. That's why it's not the same. That's why one is admirable and the other is not.

2. Modern music has been rebellious in nature ever since Smells Like Teen Spirit. Even before that, you'd be hard-pressed to find music giving people moral lectures and messages outside of church. Lastly, mainstream music caters and appeals to teenagers, i.e. people at the age of rebellion, where being contrarian is the thing to do. (also, chrome spellchecker doesn't know the word contrarian)

With this point I agree. Tho this is rebellion against the 7 deadly sins that they're advocating, which is something different from just the teenage rebellious spirit at least in my view. Pretty sure other people don't really care or see a difference and that's fine.

I wouldn't contest that it's not coincidental. But you have yet to establish that it's in any way coordinated.

Well, out of the thousands possible thematics, different artists from different record labels seem to just cling unto this particular one. But it could be ruled out as a simple fad so yeah.

 

[Shade]

In order to have sex with many women, a man has to make a lot of fucking EFFORT and put in loads of WORK. In order to have sex with many men, a woman has to spread her legs. That's why it's not the same. That's why one is admirable and the other is not.

From not admirable to shaming is quite the gap. What, exactly, is the argument here? "How dare you take what is easy to get"?

Besides, some men are just naturally attractive to women and don't have to put in much effort to get sex. You don't see distinctions being made for them, do you.

Tho this is rebellion against the 7 deadly sins that they're advocating, which is something different from just the teenage rebellious spirit at least in my view.

The 7 deadly sins have stopped being relevant since the Divine Comedy. Who the fuck even believes in those anymore.

Well, out of the thousands possible thematics, different artists from different record labels seem to just cling unto this particular one. But it could be ruled out as a simple fad so yeah.

Egypt and the pyramids (specifically, Cleopatra, which was likely more what Katy Perry wanted to evoke) are quite the popular theme. The Illuminati is also quasi-popular in modern culture, as well as occult symbolism and many other things.

 

[Bavanai]

Sex is a commodity. It is traded for money. It is sometimes even used as currency. Can we agree on this? Ok. So then, when a woman gives it away easily, doesn't that devalue it? That that make it less of a premium commodity? A slut, to me, offers a shamefully lower quality commodity.

I like to take shaming (from certain people) as a form of motivation. If you're being shamed by people whose opinions you do not value (like when feminists call us rapists) then there's not much motivation to be gained or shits to be given. But if somebody you know and care about "shames" you, there's a good chance you'll take it more seriously. I'll use myself as an example. If it weren't for a few of my friends calling me out for being a lazy loser junkie, I'd probably still walk the streets on -20 degrees for an hour to sell a couple of weed baggies so I can make 20 lei and buy myself some pills to waste my life in front of my computer screen. If some random bitch at a party told me I was a lazy loser junkie, I wouldn't really give a shit, but since it was from people whose opinions I cared about, I felt ashamed of myself and got to work on my life. Instead of crying about having my feelings hurt and how I should be accepted for who I am, I fixed my fucking life. Because I was shamed into it.

There is some shaming that is unproductive. Shaming a person based on things that people can't change or have no power over is idiotic, whether it's race, gender, height, or anything. Nobody should apologize for being alive. Nobody here would ever apologize for being a man or woman, black or white, or whatever the fuck you are. But the things that you do have power over, like weight, personality, social skills, body language, how you dress, fitness, nutrition, sexual habits, etc. you're damn right you should be shamed for it if you're lacking. That's called motivation. You strive to better yourself.

And about the 7 deadly sins, well, they are relevant to me, not because of their religiousity but from a sociological point of view. I think that people doing their best avoiding them make for a healthy society (of course we'll fall for them at times, we're human... but what I mean is not making it a goal in life to piss on them.)

 

[HellFire]

holy fucking wall of text

 

[khaled]

meh i seen bigger

 

[Shade]

Sex is a commodity. It is traded for money. It is sometimes even used as currency. Can we agree on this? Ok.

No, not exclusively. It can be traded for money, but in most cases it's part of our emotional life. And this is where we stop seeing eye to eye, because I know you're not talking about the prostitutes here. You think that every woman who says she loves you actually wants your money, a completely irrational position and god knows how you reconcile rich women who marry poor men. Hell, maybe you'll deny they even exist.

You were shamed for good reasons; you were destroying your life. You have yet to convince me how having sex is something worthy of shame. Again, what is the argument here? "How dare you take what is easy to get"?

sexual habits, etc. you're damn right you should be shamed for it if you're lacking

And who are you to decide what is and isn't right in regards to sex? It has never once been proven to be unhealthy to have lots of sex, unlike being fat.

 

[Bavanai]

You were shamed for good reasons; you were destroying your life. You have yet to convince me how having sex is something worthy of shame. Again, what is the argument here? "How dare you take what is easy to get"?

No, the argument is "I do not respect you as much as I respect a girl that doesn't drop her panties to any loser". Just girls don't respect and shame creeps while preferring socially-awesome men, men don't respect and shame sluts while preferring hard-to-get women.

And who are you to decide what is and isn't right in regards to sex? It has never once been proven to be unhealthy to have lots of sex, unlike being fat.

I don't decide what's right in regard to sex, but I do decide what I personally respect in regards to sex. Who are you to decide what opinions on sex matter?



Oh and one more thing: being a slut also says that she's unable to form any meaningful connections with men, and that her vagina is the only interesting thing about her. Obviously this won't apply to every slut, but it's a good rule to live by.

 

[BloodyAng3l]

I'm way to behind on the subject to start reading the novel.... QQ

 

[Shade]

No, the argument is "I do not respect you as much as I respect a girl that doesn't drop her panties to any loser". Just girls don't respect and shame creeps while preferring socially-awesome men, men don't respect and shame sluts while preferring hard-to-get women.

You're overlapping "not doing anything wrong" and "doing something wrong".

Oh and one more thing: being a slut also says that she's unable to form any meaningful connections with men

By itself that's not immoral, not illegal, and not relevant.

 

[khaled]

By itself that's not immoral, not illegal, and not relevant.

IMO its makes them a degenerate regardless of the gender, would you personally be ok with having the town's bike as your gf?

 

[Shade]

IMO its makes them a degenerate regardless of the gender, would you personally be ok with having the town's bike as your gf?

So it's not a fear that she might be carrying diseases, it's a fear that she'll break your heart if you fall for her.

Sorry broski but you're not entitled to anyone's love.

As for the question: you're barking up the wrong tree, I wouldn't even mind living with a pornstar if I wanted to.

 

[khaled]

So it's not a fear that she might be carrying diseases, it's a fear that she'll break your heart if you fall for her.

Sorry broski but you're not entitled to anyone's love.

As for the question: you're barking up the wrong tree, I wouldn't even mind living with a pornstar if I wanted to.

both, a slut would carry the risk of having some nasty disease and most likely will cheat on you not to mention she'd probably be in some weird ass shit and same can apply to men

the whole deal just seems wrong to me

I wouldn't even mind living with a pornstar if I wanted to.

but would you want it? if there is a girl known to be a slut would you rather approach her than a modest one?

 

[Bavanai]

Shade, this is actually an interesting point. Would you marry a slut? Say for instance you meet a girl, you're both around 30 years old. She had kilometres of jock cock into her. But now her looks are fading and is looking to settle down. Would you marry such a girl if you really like her?

 

[khaled]

Shade, this is actually an interesting point. Would you marry a slut? Say for instance you meet a girl, you're both around 30 years old. She had kilometres of jock cock into her. But now her looks are fading and is looking to settle down. Would you marry such a girl if you really like her?

maybe if her heart is as big as her vagina lel

 

[Bavanai]

maybe if her heart is as big as her vagina lel

Then she'll go on /r/relationships to explain how she's currently "settled down" and with a "great guy" whom she "loves so much", but somehow hasn't fucked him in 3 months and asks if it would be cheating if she just started chatting again with Jeff or Jake. Or both - she's sure that at least one of them is out of prison by now. She swears that's all she wants - "closure". To "get it out of her system".