Teh Official OMG WTF thread.

[Bavanai]

In other news.

In Uruguay, the growth, sale, and use of marijuana was legalized on 10 December 2013 by a 16-13 vote in the Senate. The country has 120 days to propose its plans through the Institute for the Regulation and Control of Cannabis, which will oversee the marketplace for marijuana. Under the new law, people are allowed to buy up to 40 grams *(1.4 ounces) of marijuana from the Uruguayan government each month. Users, however, have to be 18 years-old or older and be registered in a national database to track their consumption. Other countries have decriminalized marijuana consumption, while others again have authorized its use for medical purposes; however, Uruguay is the first country in the world to legalize the whole process from its cultivation, selling, buying, and consumption.

That sounds great and all, but "be registered in a national database to track their consumption" is a bit scary.

 

[Roisin]

In other news.



That sounds great and all, but "be registered in a national database to track their consumption" is a bit scary.

They want to impose a decent limit of consumption. The 40g's they figured out, are WELL ABOVE decency. A database is SELF-IMPLIED if you want to keep track of the said 40g's/month/person.
What exactly is unreasonable and/or scary in that?

 

[Astarteea]

I will play it, no doubt about that. And its funny seeing grown ass men being jealous over secret santa, but they're also probably calling me a whore or something )

Haters gonna hate. Always... Just enjoy your gift. ^^

 

[Bavanai]

A database is SELF-IMPLIED if you want to keep track of the said 40g's/month/person.

No, it's not self-implied. You can make like a card (like they have in the US for medical weed) or something to keep track of the limit. And I'm sure people can come up with a lot more ideas about how to impose a limit without keeping you in a database.

What exactly is unreasonable and/or scary in that?

Registering as a drug user to the government. Even if legal, you don't know how that can come to affect you. For example an employer might say "go fuck yourself" after seeing that you are a registered drug user.

And also, it's none of the government's fucking business what and when I buy with my money. It's about privacy. That's something we're willing to give away too easily nowadays, in exchange for comfort.

 

[Roisin]

No, it's not self-implied. You can make like a card (like they have in the US for medical weed) or something to keep track of the limit. And I'm sure people can come up with a lot more ideas about how to impose a limit without keeping you in a database.

What the actual fuck do you mean? That electronic/magnetic registered cards don't require personal data to be released for a specific user to begin with? Or that the amount is not registered in a data base every time you purchase? And ofc they're going to fuckin' want to register it by electronic/magnetic means. Because ink and/or other kind of printers can easily be tampered with. Hell with a lot of stubbornness I bet they'll even forge magnetic or electronic cards anyways. Do not underestimate the greed in people.

Whichever the case is, it's the same frakkin' principle.

Registering as a drug user to the government. Even if legal, you don't know how that can come to affect you. For example an employer might say "go fuck yourself" after seeing that you are a registered drug user.

Also, should we have read the same article, I know and have read for a fact that the said database should exist and be used EXCLUSIVELY by pharmacies/weed-dispensaries.

And also, it's none of the government's fucking business what and when I buy with my money. It's about privacy. That's something we're willing to give away too easily nowadays, in exchange for comfort.

Yeah... Fuckin' douchebags, look at them just trying to level with what the commonwealth WANTS for itself and trying to change an antique view on something that should be treated rather as a social problem than a criminal one.

Maybe it should've remained illegal. Because FUCK THEM trying to regulate what and when I buy with my money. 40g's a month is preposterously low and so is trying to keep track of whether I'm actually fair about the said monthly intake!

 

[Sere]

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[Bavanai]

I'm the kind of guy who likes to read the fine print, especially when it's something government related. And that's not "legal weed". This is "tolerating the use of a certain amount of weed with the condition that you register as a drug user with the government". Let's not redefine the word "legal".

Maybe it should've remained illegal.

Well, you're being sarcastic, but you know what? Maybe it should remain illegal, if this is the best alternative they could come up with. At least that way, when I apply for a job, I won't get "SMOKES POT" written with red font on the first Google search of my name. Or if I have an accident, they won't put me last on the donors list because "I'm a druggie". You are willing to risk so much just to get an easier high...

Maybe I'm paranoid, maybe they really just have the best intentions with this law. But I can tell you this much for sure, I'm glad I'm not a guinea pig for the new legislation in Uruguay, nor would I sign up as one if said legislation would make its way here. Time will tell if it's a good thing or bad thing, no point arguing over what might happen.

 

[Shade]

Well, you're being sarcastic, but you know what? Maybe it should remain illegal

The culture and people's views on weed smokers will change, it just takes time. This is a defeatist attitude of "if we can't solve it NOW, then let's not solve it at all".

 

[Bavanai]

"if we can't solve it NOW, then let's not solve it at all".

We CAN solve it now... By making it legal, no strings attached. It's not "solve now or not solve at all", it's "legal or illegal".

And some food for thought: in most places it's illegal and you risk prison and a permanent criminal record for smoking it and people still risk to smoke it. With this in mind, do any of you REALLY think people would find it hard to use more than the limit of 40g/month?

 

[Shade]

We CAN solve it now... By making it legal, no strings attached. It's not "solve now or not solve at all", it's "legal or illegal".

And some food for thought: in most places it's illegal and you risk prison and a permanent criminal record for smoking it and people still risk to smoke it. With this in mind, do any of you REALLY think people would find it hard to use more than the limit of 40g/month?

Actually the 40g/month clause might have been helpful in getting that law through. If you can sway people to vote YES with a rule that doesn't really do anything, then you're going to add that rule. Remember that passing laws isn't a single person's decision. The vote was 16-13, it was pretty damn close. My guess is the variant of the law that didn't have that condition got veto'ed.

As for the quote, replace "can't" with "don't" and we're back to square one.

 

[Bavanai]

Valid points.

 

[Trespasser]

That 40g/person is there only to make sure that people don't start trafficking "legal" pot to other countries. Or at least to make sure that that comes with a bit of an impediment. And Logica, drop the tinfoil already. neither Romania nor Uruguay are nearly close to having a database that can tell everything about a person in one click. All of the info is separated between institutions and if the government wants to know everything about you starting from what you smoke and ending with the average growth/year of you ass hair, they'll find it out. If you really want to evade that, move into a cabin in the woods and never touch anything that has to do with technology or works on electricity ever again.

 

[Bavanai]

Edward Snowden has absolved me of the title of "tinfoil hat". Sorry!

Turns out, personal information isn't only exchanged between government agencies, it's also exchanged between governments of different countries.

And what's up with calling me a tinfoil hat, then towards the end of you post confirming yourself the premise for which you called me a tinfoil hat?

 

[BloodyAng3l]

Palarie de staniol ce esti!!

 

[Trespasser]

A tinfoil hat would be in order if the government was out to get you but if you think about it, the government doesn't give a rat's ass about a mid-20s stoner. You're not the first and definitely not the last. The government already has enough methods of knowing everything about you if they really want to. You already admitted that you smoke on the internet(on this forum) and I'm guessing on the phone also(the Romanian government has voice and word recognition software, the company I last worked for handled a small improvement in one of their modules). This debate is similar to the chipped passports/identity cards debate that was en vogue 2 years ago.

 

[BloodyAng3l]

I did NOTHING today, I'm so proud of myself !

 

[HellFire]

I did NOTHING today, I'm so proud of myself !

Brofist right here!

 

[khaled]

i will play it, no doubt about that. And its funny seeing grown ass men being jealous over secret santa, but they're also probably calling me a whore or something )

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[BloodyAng3l]

Brofist right here!

*brofists the monitor*

Guys a small favour if I may, a friend of mine wants to play lineage again, would you recommend it or should he search for another game?

 

[Shade]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IQeFGitRkM

Er. Ma. Gerd.