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Suggestion Points of view about the Gracia Evolution in general.

scavitza

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Hello all, i'm Scavitza and i think you already know the kind of think i'm doing mostly in this game: Always expecting BIG REWARD's after any kind of SWEEP :D;) But, let's talk about THE GAME and how it should be.

1. First of all, about the rates. The general rate (15x) it's amazing, it's a rate where you can do a real custom low-mid rate craft-pvp server like you've never seen before! :sovremennie-smayli-115: The Lineage game, classic version (the classic that it was, not the "classic" crap which was invented bu NC soft in 2016-2017), was meant to be 1x on virtually anything. if we keep the higher rate proportions, according with the speed in which you gain EXP and therefore levels, i would recommend the 15x rate on the following basic parameters: EXP, SP, adena and drop, spoil, 7 signs seal stones and dimensional fragments (don't "kill" me, i will explain why), and, as strange as it may sound, 15x quest EXP and quest rewards.
I heard a lot of talking that the adena/drop/spoil has chance and amount parameters, and this is a bit strange, because the calculation for this should be pretty simple:
- lets say on 1x you have 66% chance of drooping animal bone between 5 and 7. Then you have: 66*(5-7)*15/100. You do the formula for the minimum and the maximum, and you have here a 100% chance to get anything between 49 - 69 animal bones, or a 66% to get 5*15 - 7*15 animal bones. Both situation are equal and 100% proportional with the level/EXP/SP amount you get.
Alot of players would say that will be to many materials on the market. Well there is nothing wrong for as many people as it is possible, to have the chance to go closer to the end game. More gear crafted, more people can have fun enchanting things and so on.

2. All kind of players should have the possibility to go to the end game after enough work and perseverance:
- farmers & traders
- spoilers
- manor-ing
- events
- donation
- doing some quests which should worth it by being reasonable in the amount of rewards (15x for key quests should solve that problem),
and so on.

3. End game gearing parts & materials for weapons & armors or key materials for gearing upgrades should be farm-able & spoil-able at normal end game level mobs (meaning not RB's). I think that End Game gearing here would be vesper armors and weapons, and the corresponding upgrades possible: noble gearing, gear augmentation and stakable gear elemental stones :) Also, some "normal mob's" from SOA, SOD, Gracia Continent, which give even 6000-9000 dmg on a character geared with dynasty armor and jewels and full buffed, should have their status corrected to be also farm-able. I agree they should be strong and give u significant damage and so on, but please, our good sense tells us that we should be be reasonable here.

4. Entertaining farming efficiency: For those who are getting strong and they can fight, or even they love to fight against SOA kind of monsters, should have access to new kind of upgraded monsters in custom farming spots:
- monsters custom made with 3-4-5-6-7-8-9x more HP than normal with same fighting stats ... for those who love to farm like a robot with relatively proportional EXP/SP/drop/adena/spoil gain (or use a regression formula for the monster with X times normal HP will EXP/SP/drop/(maybe spoil) X^0.7 amount).
- monsters with increased stats besides HP (P-atk, P-def, M-atk, M-def, damage/debuff skill use), and here we have a pretty good idea of the term CHAMPION, where u can make custom farm areas for different levels of CHAMPS (5 levels: very easy, easy, medium, hard, very hard - with same stats and HP of a boss RB which has minions) with significantly increase EXP/SP/adena/drop or even some good items rewards ;) (with a better regression function than the one of just HP increase mobs, ofcouse).

We will have some more ideas as we go with the discussion and polls :)
 

scavitza

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All the things i write here are just some ideas. Any other opinions, topics, poll's should be posted here to reach a common ground ;)
So, also just in my opinion, the real Lineage 2 Classic was the real Classic until H5 Chronicle, regarding the basics of the game, not the NC-soft version of classic !
Regarding the experience chart for lineage II untill lvl 85, we should keep it as it was. There is only one anomaly at lvl 80 in which i had corrected as it's presented in my L2 EXP Chart word document, and at lvl 80 exp bar remind us of something :))) (classic inventory adena limit hahah).

If the DEV team intend to rise the level cap aftar 85, i would recommend to continue the exp chart from GOD as it is the genuine L2 chart, also presented in my Word document :) Also if the DEV team intend to use some higher lvl armors and wep, i also recommend the considerations i posted in the previous post: farm-able areas, with mobs where you can drop/spoil/quest recipes, key parts and materials for those armors and weapons :)

Sources:
1) H5 EXP charts before and after update: Google Traduction

2) Lineage 2 line until Present Fafurion Chronicle: Google Traduction
 

scavitza

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2) Lineage 2 line until Present Fafurion Chronicle (corrected link): Use the link above, and, on the site, select from "character level" line, Fafurion version of EXP chart. I also have a problem uploading the word.docx custom made EXP chart. Forum, is very limited.
 

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Hurma

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2. All kind of players should have the possibility to go to the end game after enough work and perseverance:
- farmers & traders
Sounds like "bots"
For me and my friends that never play and will never play with 3rd party programs, botters are real deal that kills whole willing to continue servers when you have to compete against 24/7 farmers on 4 different spots for one person whilst you have to wait prime time and invest several players and hours into farming and split income with your party.
 

HellBlade

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Sounds like "bots"
For me and my friends that never play and will never play with 3rd party programs, botters are real deal that kills whole willing to continue servers when you have to compete against 24/7 farmers on 4 different spots for one person whilst you have to wait prime time and invest several players and hours into farming and split income with your party.
I understand your concern and its definitely a main concern of non-bot-users, thats why i gave an economy system concept to the staff, The Best Way to deal with bots is by centralizing the farm in a pvp party competitive area with an way more important currency than adena and a way better enphasis on Bosses competition.
 

pavu1

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Sounds like "bots"
For me and my friends that never play and will never play with 3rd party programs, botters are real deal that kills whole willing to continue servers when you have to compete against 24/7 farmers on 4 different spots for one person whilst you have to wait prime time and invest several players and hours into farming and split income with your party.
you are mistaking farm=bot; i like farming not pvping
also you are against botting.. but you indulge yourself into buying with real $$ ingame items

I understand your concern and its definitely a main concern of non-bot-users, thats why i gave an economy system concept to the staff, The Best Way to deal with bots is by centralizing the farm in a pvp party competitive area with an way more important currency than adena and a way better enphasis on Bosses competition.
you are instigating pk on low lvl/items users thus messing with my fun(i only play PvE.. its no fun PvP cheeters that you created)
instead you should develop a real antibot system.. and keep the game as intended by NC
also you made pk clear very short.. 1-2 mobs @ halishas..
you made the penalty system a mess
and just to mention.. you npc shop end game items for real $$.. you unbalanced the server and destroyed the craft/farm/spoil activity

also ive spent ~300kk to make an avadon/jwl +6 (no wep/shild) and ppl have A/S grade / epics +7-10
we play different games.. someone is cheeting.. and its not me^^
 

pavu1

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... ive spent ~300kk to make an avadon/jwl(B grade) +6 (no wep/shild)

LE: seems edit btn is missing
 

pavu1

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also .. ^^
i play this srv for 2 weeks now.. and its REALLY DAMN FUSK difficult to find A FUSKING playing cp/clan
do something.. your server its not working as intended ^^
 

HellBlade

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you are instigating pk on low lvl/items users thus messing with my fun(i only play PvE.. its no fun PvP cheeters that you created)
instead you should develop a real antibot system.. and keep the game as intended by NC
also you made pk clear very short.. 1-2 mobs @ halishas..
you made the penalty system a mess
and just to mention.. you npc shop end game items for real $$.. you unbalanced the server and destroyed the craft/farm/spoil activity

also ive spent ~300kk to make an avadon/jwl +6 (no wep/shild) and ppl have A/S grade / epics +7-10
we play different games.. someone is cheeting.. and its not me^^
Don't take me wrong mate i'm neither a GM nor an Staff member, i'm merely a player that desire the best for the server and its players through game concepts/ideas, PK is a quintessential part of Lineage 2 as it was always a PvP focused game with an heavy PvE necessity(It shines when you combine Both as PvP competition for PvE Reward) So Blaming PK is Blaming L2 Itself even tho Instance supress the PvE Only Necessities(When its not abused like on H5 and so on).
About Bots and Third Party Programs, Here comes a heavy strike from reality, There is no anti-bot(Nor OFF,Nor RPG) ATM that can reliably stop Paid Adrenaline that updates insanely frequently.
As for the rest i can't tell, as i did not play on genesis.
 

Hurma

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P pavu1 your translator is broken. We're AGAINST botting, and splitting materials and adena income between participants, not some kinda real $$ that you wrote there.
 

pavu1

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HellBlade HellBlade
"..I understand your concern and its definitely a main concern of non-bot-users, thats why i gave an economy system concept to the staff,.."
this answer imply to me that you have an elevated position regarding the way staff absorbs your ideas and the way the game scenario is suppose to work.. like custom farm(highly valued pvp) zones.. what about low lvl/items players.. B grade like me against 6+ S grade TOD players.. or maybe im not supposed to play on this server

"PK is a quintessential part of Lineage 2 as it was always a PvP focused game with an heavy PvE necessity"
lets disect^^ as you seem to not realize what you wrote

1)"PK is a quintessential part of Lineage 2 as it was always a PvP focused game" what about clan war/against action why programming these actions and keeping stats if PK is quintessential?? why program a karma/pk dropout system if all you wanna do is PK farmers(halisha in my case) for just passing by.. i blame cheeting admins for disabling PK cooldown (ppl escape PK after killing 1-2 mobs @ halishas; very fast..)

2)"..it was always a PvP focused game with an heavy PvE necessity".. it always was a PvE (on offical you couldnt play this game wo CP.. it was an all time party game.. you couldnt high lvl wo CP.. ) game but truly desperate ppl (in my humble opinion) got to use bots/buy items for real $$/bribe staff for ++ enchanted items just for them to be on top of farmers (PvE players) which ofcourse have god items since they farm.. and dont PvP all day around

3)"PK is a quintessential part of Lineage 2 as it was always a PvP focused game with an heavy PvE necessity" in light of what i wrote and what you wrote then PK is quintessential for PvE farming .. dude do PK the mobs.. mobs dude.. mobs

btw.. since we talk real.. a L2 licence was 10$/month.. and a bot licence is 20$/month.. it seems NC soft sells bots in fact which ppl are more then happy to pay for.. instead of paying the real game^^.. there is no bot protection because the $$ are in the bot business; nc soft scams bot users and bot users scam casual players

ps:
"PK is a quintessential part of Lineage 2" so is karma system dude but it so quintessentialy got nerfed that it barely exist
so dont use quintessential game attributes when you chose to nerf the ones that dont sell
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Hurma Hurma
pls dude make an effort and try to understand the meaning of words
""2. All kind of players should have the possibility to go to the end game after enough work and perseverance:
- farmers & traders"
Hurma > Sounds like "bots" "
how did you deducted that "farmers & traders=bots" pls LIGHT me up

also pls tell how come bots(real) bother you sooo much but buying with $$ dosnt; @ least the fiker with bots plays the game.. and farms resources instead you shop the end game/heavily enchanted item and go straight PK "fiking lesser players then you" - material/q items farmers like me
do you think i enjoy playing this game considering that after 2 weeks of farming i only have +6B grade items(+3 Bwep) while u TOD fikers have 6+ S/epics???
tell me TOD fiker.. whose the bot?? me farming for 2 weeks or you buying with $$

also
"..and splitting materials and adena income between participants," so you want your party to slave/ be bots for you.. im so proud of your humanity
and all this while you state loud and clear youre against bots.. the hypocrisy its tear dropping^^.. I FEEL FOR YOU DUDE

ps: let me enforce this statement
pls dude make an effort and try to understand the meaning of words as i did make a compelling and well written argument while you slapped me with Gtranslate all this while english is not my native
 

Pakahonta

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Idk in witch server u coulda buy s grade for tods, but i can agree that server management not always trying to find a middle road for players. They are trying to make all players even or stop the dominance, for example in wrath x5 h5. My pt was the only one who made legendary tales q, after one week server had event for vesper sets and weps. By that making our effort worthless. But other was that is how it is, you need to make a decidion to keep server running and there comes 3rd pt users to help sunday players and on and on coulda continue for more and more. But there will never be a middle road when ppl can play few hours per day and some can play till 20 hours each day.
 

pavu1

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pvp and craft srv.. well that was an overstatement.. as only TOD players can actually pvp and theres no need to craft.. as all end game items are in shops^^

regarding 3rd party.. after 20years of lineage.. they shouldof fixed it and as i stated earlier.. maybe NC makes better $$ from bot industry
 

HellBlade

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regarding 3rd party.. after 20years of lineage.. they shouldof fixed it and as i stated earlier.. maybe NC makes better $$ from bot industry
Man you talk so much about bot but doesn't seems to comprehend it
 

HellBlade

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P pavu1 would you atleast show your suggestions?
 

pavu1

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P pavu1 would you atleast show your suggestions?
i suggest you take some english courses for aliens available @ ufospaceship-com because you feel tired for this earth creature

@admins i suggest you dont mess around so much with the game engine/purpose because players like me have nothing to do in this game; good thing retard pk-ers get bored fast
 

Pakahonta

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i suggest you take some english courses for aliens available @ ufospaceship-com because you feel tired for this earth creature

@admins i suggest you dont mess around so much with the game engine/purpose because players like me have nothing to do in this game; good thing retard pk-ers get bored fast
Few things to agree and disagree :D
 

HellBlade

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i suggest you take some english courses for aliens available @ ufospaceship-com because you feel tired for this earth creature
Oh the hypocrite type heh?
Cried to the guy up there slapping your cheeks with Gtranslator, even tho your english is far worse than mine(aswell as your pseudo-suggestion)
 
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