Teh Official OMG WTF thread.

[khaled]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCB7RqGS684

 

[BloodyAng3l]

Bored ppl with lots of time..?

 

[DeuX]

Nuno, it does not work
I get an error when I enter the url in VLC

They took them down, just digisport (last one in the list) is up. I'll rescan later to see if they made any change.

 

[DeuX]

http://www.tvindirect.com/

These are the guys that are streaming the IPTV channels. I guess they are not happy getting their business ruined

 

[Astarteea]

holy shit. prison is baad. terrible conditions

 

[Bavanai]

I think she's interning with her college? Since she's studying law and stuff. And yes, the justice system is fucked, it's not meant to rehabilitate but to punish. Which obviously doesn't work since most who go to prison will reoffend. Look at rehabilitation-based prisons in the Nordic countries which have almost 0 reoffending rate.

 

[Astarteea]

just visiting. the juvenile prison is a lot better

 

[Bavanai]

and what do you do there exactly? just visiting as if visiting a museum? or does someone lecture you or something like that?

 

[Astarteea]

visiting with a guide(teacher, commander, officer). saw everything from cells to class rooms, fitness rooms etc. the juvi was nice, they even organised a music show for us and gave us a dvd

 

[Bavanai]

imagine if those prisoners got a hold of you

 

[Astarteea]

no chance. there are guardians.

 

[khaled]

imagine if those prisoners got a hold of you

the probably one of her fetish

 

[Shade]

I think she's interning with her college? Since she's studying law and stuff. And yes, the justice system is fucked, it's not meant to rehabilitate but to punish. Which obviously doesn't work since most who go to prison will reoffend. Look at rehabilitation-based prisons in the Nordic countries which have almost 0 reoffending rate.

This is true. The ideal of the justice system is reintegration. Punishment is a puerile way of healing and reinforcing society.

 

[khaled]

This is true. The ideal of the justice system is reintegration. Punishment is a puerile way of healing and reinforcing society.

as much as i agree with you

if a dude comes and rapes your mom and kill her, suddenly punishment wouldn't sound too bad anymore

IMO justice vary greatly depending on the POV

 

[Shade]

as much as i agree with you

if a dude comes and rapes your mom and kill her, suddenly punishment wouldn't sound too bad anymore

IMO justice vary greatly depending on the POV

And that's exactly why the victim doesn't judge the crime. Punishment solves nothing.

In a rape + murder situation it's usually life in prison. That's kinda pointless. I'd rather he pay me money for the rest of his life.

 

[Astarteea]

as much as i agree with you

if a dude comes and rapes your mom and kill her, suddenly punishment wouldn't sound too bad anymore

IMO justice vary greatly depending on the POV

I know you people still stone women and stuff, but the Talion law is not exactly a modern concept. Society has greatly evolved. How would punishing someone make you any better? You should not think like them, you should help them somehow. .Ofc that if the person is a serial killer with serious mental issues, he should be put away.

And that's exactly why the victim doesn't judge the crime. Punishment solves nothing.

In a rape + murder situation it's usually life in prison. That's kinda pointless. I'd rather he pay me money for the rest of his life.

The problem is that most of our criminals don't even have a job. So they cannot pay you. Making them work would be an option, but now work is not mandatory in prison and even so, if they chose to work, they can't do much, our industry is 0, or almost 0.


Also the juvenile prison had lots and lots of cats. I like it there. )

 

[khaled]

I know you people still stone women and stuff, but the Talion law is not exactly a modern concept. Society has greatly evolved. How would punishing someone make you any better? You should not think like them, you should help them

we dont stone women in egypt..but anyway..
im talking about the victom's/someone related to it POV, i doubt you'd still have the same opinion if the same thing happen to you.
i dont know about you but if someone hurt my family i would certainly not try to help them.

 

[Roisin]

I know you people still stone women and stuff, but the Talion law is not exactly a modern concept. Society has greatly evolved. How would punishing someone make you any better? You should not think like them, you should help them somehow. .Ofc that if the person is a serial killer with serious mental issues, he should be put away.

But what if you supposedly catch a serial killer at his FIRST ever victim and society works into rehabilitating him? You're inviting him into doing it again. Because as we all know, most serial killers don't get to that status because they had no chance of getting away with some other criminal offence. They do it because they enjoy it.
Based on your rehabilitating system a lot of mentally ill people would easily get away with several murders as opposed to a life-sentence out on the "first try"

The rehabilitating system will hardly ever become popular ESPECIALLY because of the very very dark cases which can't be helped. It would easily suffice to have ONE or a couple of these individuals go on a rampage and society'd be hopscotching back to punishment.

 

[Shade]

The problem is that most of our criminals don't even have a job. So they cannot pay you. Making them work would be an option, but now work is not mandatory in prison and even so, if they chose to work, they can't do much, our industry is 0, or almost 0.

Yeah, that was more of an ideal world scenario. Making him suffer still won't bring his victims back though.

But what if you supposedly catch a serial killer at his FIRST ever victim and society works into rehabilitating him? You're inviting him into doing it again. Because as we all know, most serial killers don't get to that status because they had no chance of getting away with some other criminal offence. They do it because they enjoy it.

If he's mentally unstable he'd be put into a mental institution. If he's not, then he doesn't kill people because he likes it and your example falls apart.

People do crimes either because they're cornered into doing them or out of spite for society. In the latter case, imprisoning them in miserable conditions just reinforces their defensive posture.

 

[Astarteea]

But what if you supposedly catch a serial killer at his FIRST ever victim and society works into rehabilitating him? You're inviting him into doing it again. Because as we all know, most serial killers don't get to that status because they had no chance of getting away with some other criminal offence. They do it because they enjoy it.
Based on your rehabilitating system a lot of mentally ill people would easily get away with several murders as opposed to a life-sentence out on the "first try"

The rehabilitating system will hardly ever become popular ESPECIALLY because of the very very dark cases which can't be helped. It would easily suffice to have ONE or a couple of these individuals go on a rampage and society'd be hopscotching back to punishment.

We're not exactly surrounded by serial killers. Containing every possible one for 25 years and not helping him in any other way doesn't help either. People can be good, they just need guidance and trust.